Re: Res: [tied] The cat domestication happened more than 100,000 y

I read the articles in BBC, New York Times, and about
5 other places. The split is between the ancestors of
domestic cats and other lines of wildcats. The five
maternal lines split then. It doesn't mean they were
domesticated then. There may well have been a reason
for the split, and it may have had to do with cats
that could tolerate the presence of humans in and
around patches of wild grain. But that's not the same
as domestication. There are plenty of examples of
semi-domesticated and wild, managed animals that
tolerate the presence of humans such as rabbits, deer,
skunks, armadillos, raccoons, squirrels and there may
or may not be separate lineages between these animals
and their cousins that aren't habituated to humans.


--- alexandru_mg3 <alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> <gabaroo6958@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > The articles say they were domesticated c.
> 10-13KYA
> > Which makes sense, because the domestication of
> cats
> > is linked to the rise of grain-based agriculture.
> > The articles state that the lineage goes back to 5
> > cats c. 130KYA, which is not the same thing as
> syaing
> > they were domesticated then. In any case, the 1st
> > known association between humans and cats was c.
> > 10-12KYA.
> > Now, you can certainly speculate that cats became
> > habituated to humans as humans began to harvest
> wild
> > patchs of grain in the Middle East
> > You can also point out that non-sedentary humans
> seem
> > to have a habit of keeping wild animals as pets.
> > But domestication is something else, especially in
> the
> > case of cats. Dogs will follow their masters from
> camp
> > to camp. Cats won't, some type of sendentary
> society
> > that offers them food is necessary --whether
> > grain-based farms or fishing villages.
>
> 5 cats 130 KYA started to build a species.
> If the birth of that species is not due to the
> Domestication-M
> oment, we need to have another cat-species (the
> domestic one) that
> appeared later, from a later split, BUT WE DON'T
> HAVE IT
>
> The last BIG cat-split is that one of 130 KYA
>
> So that 5 cats were the first domesticated ones
>
> And I suspect that the BBC guys are good enough
> , at least to can
> correctly wrote :
>
> "But the study suggests the progenitors of today's
> cats split from
> their wild counterparts more than 100,000 years ago
> - much earlier
> than once thought.
> At least five female ancestors from the region gave
> rise to all the
> domestic cats alive today, scientists believe"
>
> after they read an article in Science.
>
>
> Marius
>
>
>
>
>

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