tt/st/ss (was: Ariovistus)

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos"
> <stlatos@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen"
> <tgpedersen@> wrote:

> > > The problem is that Celtic, Germanic, Italic all
> have -d + t-, dh
> > > + t-, -t + t- > -ss- (OIr. fess, fiss
> knowledge), not -st-

> > the order was probably tt>st>ts>ss.
>
> The order of? Why 'probably'?

Because t>s before a stop is a wide-ranging change.
It is likely the intermediate stage that has a later
Western addition. For example, Latin has *tn > nd.
The intermediate stages should be tn > dn > nd. Stop

> +voice before nasal is a more wide-ranging change

than tn > nd, so it makes sense for that to be
included in Latin.

> > Some words didn't have metathesis,
>
> Please mention a ppp in -ts- of a root in -d, -dh,
> -t.

I said "ts>ss", so it's never attested (though maybe
something like this is seen in Celtic).

> > or the order was restored at some morpheme
> boundaries.
>
> Example?

As I recently said:

--- Sean Whalen <stlatos@...> wrote:

>
> --- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> > There
> > are only reflexes of *xarsta- 'wickerwork, grid'
> and
> > *xursti- 'wood,
> > shrubbery' (OE hyrst derives from the latter).
> They
> > are probably related
> > to each other, in which case they should both be
> > assigned to the root
> > *kert- 'turn, weave', and analysed as *kort-to-
> and
> > *kr.t-ti-.
>
> I think it's more likely that ke>ka, as in
> *k(a)rttis 'bent thing > wicker, brush?'
>
> So, to Latin:
>
> *karttis > *kar_tis> *kra_tis > cra:tis

Probably also *vreit+ 'bend forward, roll',
*vriittis > wrist.

In Latin, *xaidh+ >> aestus 'fire, heat', aesta:s
'summer'; *xYed+ >> come:stus.

The metathesis didn't occur in the cluster Ttr>str
so the otherwise intermediate stage is visible in:

ro:do: 'gnaw', *ro:d+trom > ro:strum 'beak'

tondeo: 'shave', to:nsor 'barber, but fem. to:nstri:x





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