Re: Ariovistus was not an "Aryan"

From: tgpedersen
Message: 48785
Date: 2007-05-30

> > > Also, one should bear in mind that a consensus has emerged among
> > > Indo-Europeanists in recent years, that the Proto-Indo-Iranian
> > > terms *ari-, *arya-/a:rya- and derivatives have no reflexes in
> > > other branches of IE.
> >
> > Are you sure Ariovist knew that?
>
>
> I think we can exclude that the Ario- segment in the Latinized
> anthroponym Ariovistus may be related to Proto-Indo-Iranian *ari- >
> *arya-/a:rya-.

I don't.


> Ario- (< *Hario- according to Pokorny p. 67) is most likely from
> Germanic *harjaz 'army'.

'Most likely' because?


> The article on Ariovistus in Wikipedia is very informative in this
> respect. It contains this useful warning in particular:

Why all the value judgements? Running out of facts?


> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariovistus#Etymology
> "Beginning with Friedrich Schlegel, one theory identified Ario- with
> Aryan connecting it with German Ehre, 'honor'. The theory has not
> been substantiated in the 150 and more years since its inception by
> Schlegel; meanwhile it became a brick in the ideological temple
> erected by the Nazi party in Germany (now outlawed) and their
> adherents then and now abroad."

Sigh, here we go again. So the identification of German Ehre with
Ario- is part of a Nazi ideological brick temple. How is this relevant
here?


Torsten