*pYerkW+ (was: Latin is a q-Dialect, etc.)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> Besides, *perk(W)-u- is an ablauting type of noun

PIE had different u- and eu-stems depending on the original ending.
Most branches have analogy obscuring this but this change is early
enough to avoid that.

>, with forms such as
> *perkW-ew-es (no delabialisation). The delabialisation of *kW before
> *u is probably a common IE phenomenon

Definitely not. Some languages have kW>0 between r_u and
*pYerkWuunos > *kWerkWuunos > *kWeraunos brd> Greek keraunos. In
whatever language Greek borrowed it from the order of rules shows no
kWu>ku.

>(and of course Lat. has
> <quercus>, not *querquus),

That proves nothing; there are several stages where kW>k (such as
cu:nctus).

> but the *kW may have been levelled out from
> the oblique forms. The name of Hercynia probably reflects something
> like *perku-h3n-ih2 (if it's a Hoffmann compound)

Obviously the cognates in IE languages show various reflects such as
u, u:, and au. PIE had both i: / u: and ii / uu with the latter
having the same tonal pattern as ei / eu (mid to lower mid). In many
languages uu > au (ou in Greek) after r or l or CW or various
combinations; uu lost its tone > u: in certain tonal patterns
(basically if not initial); later uu > u+tone in most, uu > u: in
Baltic, Slavic.

>, and at any rate its
> delabialised *k doesn't alternate with *kW, so an initial *kW could
> not be introduced as in the dendronym.

Greek keraunos above.

> Note that the Celtiberian
> tribal name Querquetani _has_ initial /kW/ as expected!

But *pYerkWn.os > quernus has neither u nor eu after kW; there's no
evidence that the exact stem from the root *pYerkW+ that Querquetani
comes from had eu/u so it doesn't prove analogy of ku / kWeu > kWu /
kWeu or something similar.