Re: [tied] Re: Latin is a q-Dialect having p- from kW , PIE is s

alexandru_mg3 wrote:

> This 'Genitive form - argument -' invoked 'by some' is a fake:
> 1. first the fact that we have an 'ablauting type a noun' is only a
> supposition => that need to be demonstrated first and not to be
> supposed as a Fact.

? As if we knew nothing about ablaut in the IE declension of u-stems.
BTW the form I quoted was the nom.pl., not the gen.sg.

> 2. *perkW-ew-es CANNOT gave Latin quercus => there is no -kWewes > -
> cus in Latin
>
> Based on what Latin quercus is not *kWerkWus?

What I'm saying is that the original declension involved *perkWu- (in
the nom. and acc. sg.) alternating with *p(e)rkW-ew-. The former gave
regularly *perku- (with early delabialisation), the latter -- PIt.
*kWerkWew-. Then the nom./.acc.sg. *perku- was levelled out, yielding
*kWerku- > Lat. quercus.

> You need to prove that Querquetani is really a Proto-Celtic word.
> More sure with toponyms but when we arrive to tribal names : is
> difficult to prove fr0om whta Language that word appears

Why should it not be Celtic if it makes sense in Celtic terms?

> The fact that Quequetani is a Celtic name is usually refuted...

By whom, and where is it refuted? (and why "usually"??).

> based on
> *perkunyo where we have a Gothic loan starting with f- indicated for
> sure an initial p-

The Germanic may have the same morphological structure as Hercynia, but
not the same as Querquetani. They are from the same root, but not
parallel, so don't compare apples with oranges. And why do you call it a
"Gothic loan"? Goth. fairguni corresponds to OE firgen, OHG Fergunna and
ON Fjörgynn. They all come from PGmc. *ferGu(:)ni: (--> Slavic
*pergyni). If the ultimate source is, as some believe, early Celtic, the
word was borrowed before Grimm's and Verner's Laws at a time when
Proto-Celtic still had initial *p or *f for later *h or zero (<Hercynia
silva>). But it may also be a native Germanic word. I'd derive the
*perku:n-o-/*perku:n-i: word-family from *perk[W]u-h3(o)n- 'place with
many big trees', perhaps contaminated with *per-wr./n.(t)- 'rock,
mountain' (Hitt. peruna-, Skt. parvata-) in some branches.

Piotr