From: Rick McCallister
Message: 48309
Date: 2007-04-13
> ke:phe:n seems to be cognate of Latin ape:s "bee" <padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;}
> *h2eh2p- ~ *h2eph2-.
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> Herodotus said that Persians were called as
> Ke:phe:nes before turned into "Persians". Is there
> just historical source?
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> Persian < *Parsa, ParTa, what's its meaning?
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> Joao SL
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> De: Sean Whalen <stlatos@...>
> Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 13 de Abril de 2007 11:58:05
> Assunto: Re: [tied] IE cockroach
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> --- Sean Whalen <stlatos@... com> wrote:
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> --- "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@... com.br> wrote:
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> > Greek silphe:/tilphe: (akin to Latin talpa
> "mole"?)
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> Yes, they are related. Also Welsh chwil 'beetle',
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> chwiler 'maggot', Gaelic fiolan / fiolar 'earwig'
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> * tul-x-pó+(n.) + <
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> * tw(e)l-x-fwó+ derived from
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> * twèlxáf 'swelling' > Greek sélas
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> This would have to be a late PIE word that is
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> derived from an already derived noun (that is, *
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> tw(e)l-x-fwó+ instead of **tw(e)l-x-wó + from the
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> root), also shown by the restoration of banned
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> clusters like fw (no KWw- or Pw- previously).
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> This secondary cluster was also lost, with fw- > p-
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> but the existence of the fricative is seen in:
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> * tw(e)l-x-fwó+ > * tul-x-pón.+
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> * kY(e)r-x-fwó+ > * kY(e)r-x-frón. + 'hornet'
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> * xY(e)rudhwó+ > * xYrudhró+ 'red'
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> (as other colors in -wó+) which indicate rules of
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> assimilation at a distance:
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> w>r / r () P_
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> w>r / r () uC_
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> And of course * kY(e)r-x-frón. + also comes from a
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> *kYèrxáf 'extension > horn, head, etc.'
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> I've found more evidence for the above. The
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> kYar-xa-fwá+ .... kYar-xa-fwá:x
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> kYar-xa-fwá+ .... kYa:-xa-fwá:x
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> kY(a)r-x-fwá+ ... kYa:-x-fwá:x
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> kY(a)r-x-fwá+ ... kYa:x-fwá:x
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> kY(e)r-x-fwó+ ... kYe:x-fwó:x
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> kY(e)r-x-fró+ ... kYa:x-fwá:x
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> kY(e)r-x-fró+ ... kYa:x-pá:x
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> Then fem. * kYa:x-pá:x > Greek ke:phé:n 'drone'
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> (with p>ph after x as sílphe: and ana -n as the
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> masculine * kY(e)r-x-fró: n.).
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