Re: [tied] IE cockroach

From: Sean Whalen
Message: 48306
Date: 2007-04-13

--- Sean Whalen <stlatos@...> wrote:

quote>

--- "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@...> wrote:

> Greek silphe:/tilphe: (akin to Latin talpa "mole"?)

Yes, they are related. Also Welsh chwil 'beetle',
chwiler 'maggot', Gaelic fiolan / fiolar 'earwig'
all from:

* tul-x-pó+(n.)+ <
* tw(e)l-x-fwó+ derived from

* twèlxáf 'swelling' > Greek sélas


This would have to be a late PIE word that is
derived from an already derived noun (that is, *
tw(e)l-x-fwó+ instead of **tw(e)l-x-wó+ from the verb
root), also shown by the restoration of banned
clusters like fw (no KWw- or Pw- previously).

This secondary cluster was also lost, with fw- > p-
but the existence of the fricative is seen in:

* tw(e)l-x-fwó+ > * tul-x-pón.+
* kY(e)r-x-fwó+ > * kY(e)r-x-frón.+ 'hornet'

* xY(e)rudhwó+ > * xYrudhró+ 'red'

(as other colors in -wó+) which indicate rules of
assimilation at a distance:

w>r / r () P_
w>r / r () uC_

And of course * kY(e)r-x-frón.+ also comes from a
noun of the same type:

*kYèrxáf 'extension > horn, head, etc.'

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Added:

I've found more evidence for the above. The
feminine of 'hornet' undergoes unique assimilation
(a:x-a:x) before the change w>r.

kYar-xa-fwá+ .... kYar-xa-fwá:x
kYar-xa-fwá+ .... kYa:-xa-fwá:x
kY(a)r-x-fwá+ ... kYa:-x-fwá:x
kY(a)r-x-fwá+ ... kYa:x-fwá:x
kY(e)r-x-fwó+ ... kYe:x-fwó:x
kY(e)r-x-fró+ ... kYa:x-fwá:x
kY(e)r-x-fró+ ... kYa:x-pá:x

Then fem. * kYa:x-pá:x > Greek ke:phé:n 'drone'
(with p>ph after x as sílphe: and ana -n as the
masculine * kY(e)r-x-fró:n.).


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