Res: Res: [tied] Re: IE cockroach

So Portuguese cockroaches are cheap (baratas)?
Or or they desbaratdas "knocked down"/ (I don't kow if
desbaratar is the same in Portuguese)
Could barata come from this root rather than blatta?
BTW, what is the root of des-baratar?

--- "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@... com.br> wrote:

> Portuguese has escaravelho "scarab" < *scarabiculus;
> cockroach is barata (<*brata<blatta) , or
> old-fashioned, obsolete carocha, only used in "Dona
> Carochinha", litterally "Lady Little Cockroach", a
> Portuguese equivalent to Mother Goose.
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> De: Francesco Brighenti <frabrig@... it>
> Para: cybalist@... s.com
> Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 4 de Abril de 2007 16:46:10
> Assunto: [tied] Re: IE cockroach
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> --- In cybalist@... s.com, Rick McCallister
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> > The ending of cucaracha seems suspiciously Italian
> -accia. Are
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> > Sicilian, Calabrese, Napolitano, etc.?
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> I am afraid that most of South and Island Italian
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> cockroach from Latin
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> scarabaeus. These terms are, therefore, cognate to
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> scarafaggio (which has, in turn, cognates in most of
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> languages). Scarafaggio is derived fom Latin
> scarabaeus via a
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> presumed Greek-like form *scarabaius/ *scarafaius >
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> *scarabajus/ *scarafajus which, though reportedly
> unattested, must
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> Sicilian scarafaggiu/ scavagghiu
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> Sardinian scraffioni
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> Neapolitan scarrafone
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> Let me also mention here that a famous Neapolitan
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