Re: [tied] *ud- 'out'

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 2007-03-26 03:01, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
> >
> > > "Finally, there are several words restricted to the Central
> region:
> > > *melitiHa- 'honey-bee' where one of the words for honey, *mélit-
> ,
> > > provides the basis of Alb bletë and Greek melissa, both 'honey-
> bee'
> > > ("The Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and Proto-Indo-
> > > European World" by J. P. Mallory and D. Q. Adams, page 151.).
> > > I am not sure could you notice cognates, but I am not obliged
> even
> > > to reply at all, for the burden of argumentation is on you and
> > > others that think like you.
> > > So, I am in very fruitful land and I am sorry that you are in
> true
> > > desert, for you are late for half century.
> >
> > Why are you using *melit-ih2 as an example of *-tt-?
> >
> > Piotr
> ************
> I have just cited, as anyone can see. I think that preform should

be

> *mlit-ta: for Alb bletë and melit-ta: for Greek one.
> Nevertheless, I think that I found new examples of dental + dental
>
> dental:

> *g'hel- `to shine'. 1. Alb glasë `bird dropping, guano; flybow'

from

> *g'hlo-ti-a:.. 2. Alb dhelpër `fox' from *g'help-VnV, etc.
>
> Konushevci
>

No link with Dental+Dental but an Alb. "glasë as from *g'hlo-ti-a:"
etc...is not possible

1. PIE *g'Hl- > *gHl > Alb. *gj /see Alb. gjemp <->Rom. ghimpe/ so
glasë cannot be from *g'Hl- etc..

2. Based on this an old *gl- cluster in Albanian reflects an older
*gVl- and next *gal/*gall- 'is so close' to ORomanian gal'-ina >
Romanian g&ina => for sure from Latin...

3. In addition the Romanian word 'corresponding' to Alb. /glas&/ is
Rom. /g&-i-nac/ (identical in meaning) reflecting Latin *gallinaceum

Latin [stercus] gallinaceum > /*gallinak'e-u/ > /*galinatse-u/ >
PRom. /*g&linatsu/ > ORom /*g&l'inatsu/ > Rom /*g&inats/

PRom. /*g&linatsu/ => loaned in => PAlb /*g&linatsu/ > /*g&lnatsu/

> /*g&llatsu/ > /*gllatsu/ > Alb. /glas&/ glasë 'id.'

Rules:
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a) ln- > ll- is regular (timeframe: late PAlb)
b) regular is also: 'the latest' *ts /c/ of different sources to
give Alb s (Note: not the original k^ > c > th, but that ones of c^

> c > s etc...) (timeframe: this c was still c when s>sh started:

aprox. sec VI)

So Alb. glasë (one and the same word with Rom. /g&inac/) is a Latin
loan in Late PAlbanian, more precisely, viewing its phonetism it's a
loan from Proto-Romanian (or from the late Balkan Latin (that is the
same thing))


Marius