Re: Res: [tied] Etymology of Rome

From: Abdullah Konushevci
Message: 47756
Date: 2007-03-08

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:
>
> On 2007-03-08 21:25, Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
>
> > Possibly connected with Gk. ere:mos 'lonely, desolate' (with
old /e:/,
> > thus apparently *h1réh1-mo- with *h1 rather than *h2), cf. IIr.
*HrH-mó-
> > 'still, motionless', and Lat. ra:rus < *h1r.H-ró-. How, then,
about
> > deriving <Ro:ma> from *(h1)roH-máh2 'seclusion' (or 'resting-
place', or
> > the like), the O-fix derivative of *h1réH-mn.?
>
> This, by the way, would make OInd. ra:ma- ambiguous: *(h1)rom-o-
or
> *(h1)roH-mo- (if not a merger of both).
>
> Piotr
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Isn't OInd. ra:ma- 'dark, black' derived from *reH1mós, IE *re:mós,
with Old English cognate ro:mig 'sooty'?
Nevertheless, I am much more interested on Albanian i vrân-të/vrër-
të 'cloudy, darksome' that seems to be a prefixal derivative v-
*reH1mós, with known change -m- > -n- in final position like in acc
sing and genitive plural (*me:-m > mua/mue 'me' from mou < PAlb
me:n), that will explain also Tosk rhotacism and -eno- > Gheg -ân-
ant Tosk -ër-.
Orel back up Jokl's derivation of Alb vrër ~ vran 'to darken, to
become cloudy' as prefixal derivative of Alb re 'cloud'.
I guess too that also Alb mrâmje/mbrëmje (with homorganic /b/) is
also prefixal derivative *H2em- 'hold' plus *reH1mos.

Konushevci