[tied] Re: Paemani German tribe

From: tgpedersen
Message: 47754
Date: 2007-03-08

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
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> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> >
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> > BTW, back on the subject: P- says Paemani can't be a
> > Germanic name.
>
> Yes, the <p> seems to rule it out unless it maybe it
> was a mispronounced /b/??????

?????
I would be cautious with introducing that into historical linguistics.

> The next closest group
> are the Celts /p/ < /kw/?

Some sources on the internet say Paemani has a variant Caemani, which
sounds auspicious for their being Celtic, borderline p/q.

This
classiques.uqac.ca/classiques/lot_ferdinand/la_gaule/Ferdinand_Lot_LaGaule.doc

relates Paemani to Famenne, a region south of Condroz (cf. Condrusi)
in the Ardennes. In that case, the name has been Germanicized, with
Grimm-shift, which illustrates further Tacitus' remark that these
tribes were not Germani, but were called so in the beginning, before
the Romans became acquainted with tribes of the interior of Germania
(in my version, those tribes in Belgium were the leftovers of
Ariovist's invasion, the real Germani arriving in Germania from the
east some decades later). The Grimm-shift Paemania -> Famenne took
place after the region was taken over by these 'real' Germani.


Torsten