Re: Etymology of Rome

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> > <akonushevci@> wrote:
> > > I guess that Rome as place name is derived from hydronym, i.e.
> from
> > > river name Ruma, later river Tiber
> >
> > 'river name Ruma' ? Where you find it 'attested' with this name?
> >
> > Tiberis fl. (Ptol., Plin., Mel., Liv., etc.)
> > Thybris fl. (Plin., Verg.)
> > Albula fl. (Liv., Plin.)
> >
> > So the oldest name of the river was Albula
> >
> > Ruma was Only the Estruscan spelling for Rome
> >
> >
> > > (u > o was a characteristic change
> > > of Etruscan place names in Latin
> >
> > Examples?
>
> >
> >
> > > Etruscan was an IE language as was
> > > proved by Bekees in "The Origin of Etruscans", see file section
> on
> > > Cybalist). It is similar with river name Struma, all from
> suffixed
> > > form of *sreu- 'to flow': Germanic *straumaz 'stream': Greek
> > rhein 'to
> > > flow': Alb rrymë 'current, stream'.
> > >
> > > Konushevci
> >
> > a) Etruscan an IE-language? Please post a list of at least 10
> > etruscan words with their PIE cognates....
> >
> > b) PIE *sru-ma > Latin Roma ? 'Directly-from-PIE' or 'via
> > Etruscan'? :)
> >
> > Marius
> ************
> 1. Etruscan Curtuna > Latin Cortona
> 2. Etruscan Hurta > Latin Horta
> 3. Etruscan Ruma > Latin Roma (the name in itself isn't Etruscan!)
> 4. The Latin name for the Etruscans derives from this Greek name:
> the root of *Turs-a・noi (> TyrseOEnoi) is found in Tusci <

*Turs-ci

> (from where Toscana) and, with the variant *trus-, Etruscus < *e-
> trus-cus and Etruria < *e-trus-ia.
>
> Etymology of Rome
> Rome, O.E., from O.Fr. Rome, from L. Roma, of uncertain

origin. "The

> original Roma quadrata was the fortified enclosure on the Palatine
> hill," according to Tucker, who finds "no probability" in

derivation

> from *sreu- "flow," and suggests the name is "most probably" from
> *urobsma (cf. urbs, robur) and otherwise, "but less likely" from
> *urosma "hill" (cf. Skt. varsman- "height, point," Lith.
> virsus "upper"). Another suggestion is that it is from Etruscan

(cf.

> Rumon, former name of Tiber River). Common in proverbs, e.g. Rome
> was not buylt in one daye (1545), for when a man doth to Rome come,
> he must do as there is done (1599), All roads alike conduct to Rome
> (1806).
>
> Rome
> The etymology of Rome from Roma (mother of Romulus and Remus), or
> from Romulus, the legendary founder of the city, or from ruma (a
> dug), in allusion to the fable of a wolf suckling the outcast
> children, is not tenable. Niebuhr derives it from the Greek word
> rhoma (strength), a suggestion confirmed by its other name

Valentia,

> from valens (strong). Michelet prefers Rumo, the ancient name of

the

> river Tiber.
>
> References:
> http://www.etruskisch.de/pgs/pn.htm
> Robert S. P. Beekes: "The Origin of the Etruscans" (page 7, last
> paragraph)
> http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Rome
> http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Rome
>
> And, instead of your loved signs :) I could add: Ride pagliaccio!
>
> Konushevci
>

I. I think that your supposition

> > b) PIE *sru-ma > Latin Roma ? 'Directly-from-PIE' or 'via
> > Etruscan'? :)

deserved the above sign.

If I'm wrong, you can prove this trying to derive it correctly,
either via PIE->Etruscan->Latin either directly PIE->Latin...
But until than , please allow me to use the sign :) for such an idea..

If you will arrive to derive it correctly: I will apologize here for
my sign: :)

So Good Luck!



II. ABDULAH, don't hide your initial assertation regarding a
supposed 'Ruma'-river with 'some copy/paste' from different web-sites:

My question was a simple one:

TO WHAT ANCIENT AUTHOR OR INSCRIPTION YOU FIND 'RUMA'-RIVER ATTESTED?

On my side I indicated you the attestations that I know for that
river:

> > Tiberis fl. (Ptol., Plin., Mel., Liv., etc.)
> > Thybris fl. (Plin., Verg.)
> > Albula fl. (Liv., Plin.)

Attention: we are talking about the river not about the Etruscan
spelling of the city of Rome > Ruma

I hope that my question is clear enough...



III.

> > > (u > o was a characteristic change
> > > of Etruscan place names in Latin

> 1. Etruscan Curtuna > Latin Cortona
> 2. Etruscan Hurta > Latin Horta
> 3. Etruscan Ruma > Latin Roma (the name in itself isn't Etruscan!)

Better to try : Latin o > Etruscan u ...


Marius


P>S. From One of your Link :

"Ruma* Roma;

Roma reconstructed from the ethnic rumach

Caution: the name in itself isn't Etruscan! "