Re: Darkness

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Wordingham" <richard@> wrote:

> > Torsten:
> > > These languages appear as substrates in Germanic, therefore they
> > > don't have to be analyzed as Germanic.
> >
> > So? We're not looking at a loan from one of these languages.

> You must have sources of information I don't have access to.

We're talking about a derivation from something like PIE *tems-. You
(Torsten) said, 'I can't remember if it's Kuhn or Vennemann who posits
an Italic-like *dh > þ, d > *d, *t > *t for some dialect on the Rhine,
from where it might have been picked up.' What have I missed? It
seems that the only origin for *þ in this word family is Germanic.

> > (or anticipation of English Cockney, if you prefer),
> > and compare it > to Modern English _pottage_ > _porridge_

> or ME parrok > paddock; by some coincidence both are Nordwestblock
> (initial p-).

Possibly - the 'pot' family has been tentatively derived from Latin
_po:tus_ 'drink'. The word _pottage_ is basically French in origin,
so an ultimate Nordwestblock origin would be irrelevant.

> Suetonius mentions that one of the
> emperor Claudius' ancestors, Clodius, had been tribune of the people.

Are you sure about that relationship? The closest I can come is that
Publius Clodius Pulcher was the first husband of Fulvia, Mark Antony's
third wife. (Mark Antony was the Emperor Claudius's grandfather by
his fourth wife.) Claudius and Clodius were kin, nominally descended
from Appius Claudius Caecus.

Richard.