Re: [tied] Re: Final -us/is in Celtic

--- indravayu <sonno3@...> wrote:

> >> No, no, no...your etymologies are all completely
> >> wrong!
> >
> > What are the alternatives you advocate?
>
> You originally wrote:
>
> > *leukYús > *leukWúz. > louber
>
> OW louber, MoW lleufer is a compound of lleu "light"
> (from either
> Proto-Celtic *lug- or *louo-) + ber "carry" (PrC
> *bero- from PIE
> *bher- "carry").

If it meant "light-bearing" that would be fine. The
only reason it is assumed to be a compound is because
the simple sound changes that derive it regularly from
a word meaning "light" aren't recognized.

kWu>ku
ukYu>ukWu
kWw>gWw
kYy>gYy
kYw>kWw
kWy>kYy
gW>b

The existence of *leukYús takes some explanation.
In Greek leukós has the same final change as pókos <
pe`kYu. This is further seen in Scythian changes.

leukYús
leukWús
laukWús
laikWús
laikús
laikwas (turned to a-stem)
laipa-
laepa-
le:pa-
le:po-

This is transcribed in Greek as leipo-, apparently
meaning 'lightning'.

> > *gWòvus > *bó:uz. > buar
>
> McBain explains Old Irish búar as coming from from
> Proto-Irish *bou-
> [a]r-os, a suffixed form of *boua: "cow".

What suffixed form would that be? What's the ev.
for *boua:? This kind of explanation is needed if all
r are assumed to come from *r; that's what I'm trying
to disprove.

> > *ghdó:m > *du:(z.) > *domuz. > *dowar
> > *ghdóm+ > *dom+
> [snip]
> > Breton douar, Welsh daear 'earth'
>
> Jens Rasmussen (Miscellaneous morphological problems
> in Indo-European
> languages V, CWPL 2, p. 98) suggests W. daear/Br.
> douar come from PIE
> *dems-(h1)eg'her@2 "the borders of the dwelling",
> while Holger
> Pedersen (Vergleichende Grammatik der keltischen
> Sprachen I-II, 1909-
> 1913) suggests PIE di- + H1eg'her.

These seem less than convincing when a perfectly
good and widely seen form gives *du: *dom+ in Celtic.
The changes in the vowels are just as seen in
*gYhyempY+ > *gYomuf+ > gaeaf, etc.





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