Re: Near Eastern origin of European cattle.

From: mkelkar2003
Message: 47390
Date: 2007-02-11

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "marktwainonice"
> <marktwainonice@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > > All the sources you mention are characteristically vague on
> > what
> > > > > defines a location as a center of domestication. The
> practical
> > > > > definition seems to be that for each race of cows, within
> its
> > area
> > > > > they have picked the place with the earliest archaeologically
> > > > > documented transition to farming as the center of
> > domestication
> > > > > for that race. And as I said, much of NEAsia is under-
> > investigated
> > > > > archaeologically. Therefore, Anatolia might have to give up
> > the
> > > > > prize one day.
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > That said, it is still *always* going to be either Anatolia or
> > South
> > > > Asia in the Indo-European world, as far deciding the issue of
> PIE
> > > > origin is concerned.
> > >
> > >
> > > Of course not. If an archaeological site with transition to
> > > stock-breeding earlier than that of the Anatolian ones is found
> > > somewhere on the Steppes between the Ukraine and China, that site
> > > automatically becomes the new assumed origin of domestication of
> > Bos
> > > Taurus. And on the origin of cereals, none of your sources seem
> to
> > be
> > > aware that the European and East Asian varieties of millet are
> > > identical. Obvious that didn't come out of Anatolia.
> > > Torsten
> >
> > To interject myself here, looking at the cultural IE context,
> since
> > IE people did not divinize cattle (unlike Middle Easterners,
> > Egyptians, and South Asians), but quite clearly knew about them at
> > the PIE state, looking towards Anatolia as the site for
> introduction
> > of domestic cattle into Europe is not improbable.
> >
> > Mark
> ************
> I am afraid that your are wrong, for the cult of bull was very live
> in Balkan and tradition languages. There exists the legend that all
> world depends on bull's horn, so it was worshiped like Poseidon,
> known as earthquake god as well. Recent excavations in city Novo
> Monte found under the basement of the catholic church relics of the
> cult of bull. It was the reason why one of my assumption about the
> localization of ancient Dardanian town Damastion should be around
> this Medieval city, derived from *demH2-/domH2- 'to constrain,
> force, especially to break in (horses, bulls) was so much
> appreciated.
>
> Konushevci
>

"Anatolian bull and the vedic horse." This paper examines the role of
the bull in various IE branches.

http://www.omilosmeleton.gr/english/documents/AbVh.pdf

Sections 21 and 22 of the following refer to cow and bull.

M. kelkar