[tied] Re: Slavic *sUto -> is NOT INHERIT

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 47325
Date: 2007-02-08

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> On 2007-02-07 00:22, alexandru_mg3 wrote:
> > Can somebody help me with a hint: where I'm wrong here?
> > All the other 3 words indicates the fact that sUto is an
> You are not wrong. It _is_ irregular (one would expect *seNto <
> from BSl. *c'imtám). It's usually assumed that *sUto reflects Old
> Iranian *satá with a peculiar treatment of unaccented *a
> pronounced as a kind of schwa rather than fully open [a] in the
> prototype).
> Piotr

Well, Piotr....in this case the Romanian-Substratum Equation should
be seriously taken into account too, because the Romanian word is 'o
sut&' 'one hundred' (the word is considered a South-Slavic loan in

and I said this based on the following areguments:

A. First an "a-u alternance" is present in today-Romania-Areal
1. Dacian [Iordanes] Marisia > Romanian Muresh
2. X-Language *Danares > Romanian Dun&re
3. Latin mama > Romanian mum&
(in fact both forms mama & mum& coexist in Romanian)

[I will note here also Lithuanian upe to can see that we have quite a
large "a-u areal" more exactly from Danube to some of the Balts]

B. next Romanian-Substratum *su- reflects an ancient PAlb/Dacian *tsu
Rom s <-> Albanian th correspondance, appears in a 'short-u context'
< PAlb *c/short-u < PIE *k^/short-u

1. Romanian sImbure <-> Albanian thumbull < PAlb. *tsumbula/tsambula
2. Romanian curs& 'trap' <-> Albanian kurth& 'id.' < PAlb.*kurtsu-?

PIE dk^m.tom > [with the regular PIE m. > PAlb. a]
> PAlb/Dacian *tsata /cata/ '(one) hundred'
> [next a dissimilation a-a > a-u like in mum& and Dunare]
> Dialectal-Dacian/PAlb *tsuta /cuta/
> Romanian suta '(one) hundred'

borrowed next to South-Slavic as sUto and next spread via the
Slavonic Church in all the Slavic Areal.

So if we really want to find an areal where *suta 'can appear' this
is nearby Dun&re < *Danares => where is placed the 'Romanian-Albanoid-
Substratum language'.

This language is a more valid candidate than a supposed:
Old-Iranian a > Slavic U (by the way do you have other examples
here, reflecting this equation?)

first of all because the word /suta/ is a present in Romanian
too....and we need to detect the borrowing path carefully, especially
knowing that sUto is not an Inherited Slavic word.