Re: [tied] Re: From words to dates: Water into wine, mathemagic or

From: george knysh
Message: 47320
Date: 2007-02-07

--- mkelkar2003 <swatimkelkar@...> wrote:

> Here is our previous exchange on this issue. There
> is no evidence of
> pastoral nomadism on the steppes in the time perios
> you are looking
> for. I have posted expert opinion on this before.
> I would be happy
> to do it again.
> You might as well forget of horse riding pastoral
> nomads. The other
> line of thinking Tortsen is taking has a better
> chance of succeding.
> Agriculture could be responsible for the expansion
> from the steppes
> not horseback nomadism
> M. Kelkar

****GK: You're the one who keeps bringing up "pastoral
nomadism", not I. There is a difference between that
and "pastoralism" (which merely implies an economy
primarily based on the nurture of various animal
domesticates). "Pastoralism" can be as sedentary as
agriculturalism, and indeed is frequently associated
with it.****
> "GK: Serednyj Stih (ca. 4200-3500 BC) was
> > antecedent to Yamna, and was ancestral to the
> latter
> > as well as to other "Corded Ware" cultures. It was
> a
> > pastoral (though not exclusively so) culture, not
> a
> > classical "nomadic" culture

****GK: Not clear enough? There are no known nomadic
pastoralists here before the Cimmerians.****

The spread of "Corded
> > Ware" to northern and central Europe preceded the
> > emergence of Yamna. "Corded Ware" had infiltrated
> > Trypilia (from its Serednyj Stih base) and was
> already
> > present as far west as the current
> Polish-Ukrainian
> > border even before the disappearance of Funnel
> Beaker.
> > Globular Amphorae bypassed this initial CW
> presence as
> > it marched eastward against the Trypilians. Within
> a
> > few hundred years everything in this large area
> became
> > "Corded Ware". Yamna (ca. 3500-2800 BC) was a late
> > eastern variant of "Corded Ware".

> "It is known though that the tribes that later
> formed the Trypillia
> culture must have migrated from the territories of
> what today are
> Rumania and Hungary, and settled in the territory of
> the present-day
> Ukraine in about the sixth millennium BC. We have no
> clear evidence as
> to what language they spoke (Dovzhenko, 2005 ?)"

****GK: Probably one akin to that of preceding
agricultural cultures. They were subsequently absorbed
by the peoples of the original CW areas.****

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