[tied] Re: Fun with prenasalized stops.txt

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <miguelc@...>
wrote:

>
> On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:24:23 -0000, "tgpedersen"
> <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
> >> This Old Irish nasalization takes place after former previous
> >> nasal, and its surprising it should happen here. The only ending
> >> that looks promising for postulating an ending in a nasal is
> >> *-au/*-a:, which would then be *-onW/-o:, and perhaps *-inW/*-unW
> >> for the -i and -u-stem's *-i: and *-u:. Why it is limited to the
> >> neuter in Old Irish, I don't know.
>
> The neuter NA dual always merged with the NA singular in Old
> Irish, in all declensions (o-, i-, u- and C-stems).

According to Thurneysson, the OI neuter NA dual nasalizes, which sets
it apart from the NA singular, which doesn't, so that can't be true.
Either Thurneysson or you is right.

> The nasalization in the NA n. dual of vowel stems is
> unetymological (and so is the nasalisation in the NAsg. n.
> of i- and u-stems).

If you were right, that would be true. If received linguistic wisdom
says it is so, it is because they didn't know that *-w could actually
be *-nW, which you were the first to point out.

> >> The Dsg of "two" is Skt. dvabhyam.
> >>
> >
> >I forgot: In Old Irish the numerals 7, 8, 9 and 10 all nasalize the
> >following initial. PIE 7, 9 and 10 end in nasal, but 8 is a dual.
>
> Cf. Greek combining okta- "8-", based on hepta- "7-", Slavic
> osmI "8" based on sedmI "7", Lith. septynì, as^tuonì, devynì
> "7, 8, 9",

How do you explain -y- in 7 and 9, and -uo- in 8?

> and the I-I ordinals saptamá-, as'tamá-, navamá-,
> das'amá-.

*ok^tnW.- -> Gk okta-, Slavic osm(I)
*ok^tonW -> *as^to:n-
*ok^tonW-ó- -> Skt. as´tamá-
and
*ok^tmW-ó- -> Latin octáv-us
How do you explain the -v-?

Your move.


Torsten