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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> <akonushevci@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, patrick cuadrado
<dicoceltique@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > > I work about etymology from Latin Frequ-entis means «
> > often/repetition » but also
> > > numerous/populated/full/acumulation/afluence
> > > but i can't find connections with other IE languages with
roots
> > Phrek-Phrak- or B(h)ereg-/B(h)arag- = numerous *
> > > does any connection between Latin Frequ-entis
(Wealth/Plenty)
> > and Latin Farcio/Farcire from Farctus/Fartus = (To stuff/To cram)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *In french we've got a slang term « Fric » =
(Dough/money)
> > from « Fricot » (Meat/Stew < Feasting/Delight)and others
meanings «
> > Fricot » = Illicit gain/misapropriation, « Fricoter » = to work
with
> > someone/to plot/to scheme/to have sexe with somenone/to cook/to
> > waste in feasts...but all terms may be come from Latin «
Frigere » =
> > to Fry.. beceause only cooking terms
> > (Fricandeau/Fricassé/Fricadelle/Frichti...)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pat
> > > mon blog ici
> > > http://blogs.allocine.fr/blogs/index.blog?blog=patrick-cuadrado
> > ************
> > According to Watkins, Latin frequens 'frequent, crowded' is
probably
> > from PIE *bhrekW- 'to cram together', till fracire 'to cram,
stuff'
> > is from its zero-grade form *bhr.kW-yo, Greek phrasein 'to fence
in,
> > enclose, block up'.
> >
from Jens Elmegård Rasmussen
Italic and Celtic /a/ as o-grade substitute
"
17. farcio: 'stuff : Lat. freque:ns 'crowded': IE root unknown,
possible forms *bhrekW- and *dhrekW-. Of these, *bhrekW- lends itself
perfectly to a comparison with Albanian bark 'belly, womb', cf. the
derivative mbarsë 'pregnant', the alternation k/s proving IE *kw. Did
zero-grade *bhr.kW- give Italic *bh&rkW- -> *bhr&kW- > *frak- which
was changed to *fark- by conflation with the regularly developed
alternant form *fork- ? The Albanian form is embarrassing, since the
development of *bhr.kW- would be Alb. *brik-, there being then no
alternating forms with -VR- to serve as a model for bark. Perhaps
bark
is by metathesis from *brak due either to sexual taboo or, more
likely, to the influence of a derivative from the root *bher- 'carry,
bear, give birth', a good candidate being barrë 'burden, cargo,
load',
barrësí 'pregnancy'. This etymology, first given by Wiedemann
1902:231
who expressly refers to Pedersen's masterful 1900 article on the
treatment of velars in Albanian as the basis of the sound rules
involved, found the approval of Walde-Pokorny, only to be replaced
in Pokorny IEW 130 by an unmotivated and unspecified derivation from
*bher- 'carry'. It should be reinstated in its position as a capital
piece of evidence for the assibilation rule of labiovelars in
Albanian. (Ap., IG.)
Torsten
I think that Rasmussen's etymology (former treated in Pedersen's
article: I don't know is it "Die Gutturale im Albanesische", for
here he claims that I am not aware about etymology of Alb bark,
despite the genial comparison of Alb bark and zverk as holder and
effluent ) of Alb bark and mbars is very interesting. It is in some
way similar to Alb djeg < *dhegW-o and daz < dez < *dhogW-eyo, that
also testifies for regular assibilation of labiovelars before front
vowels.
Nevertheless, bark is supposed to be a diminutive of barrë `burden'
as derk `suckling pig' as diminutive of derr `pig, hog, swine'.
There is the regular change of type of syllable CRVC to CVRC, so we
don't need any kind of metathesis or taboo substitution.
I wonder could here belongs too Alb z-bras `to unload' from *dz-
bhrokW-eyo, like z-bres `to descend' from *dz-bhreg'h-yo, using
again structure CRVC instead of CVRC.
Konushevci