[tied] Re: PIE Punctual and Durative

From: tgpedersen
Message: 46861
Date: 2006-12-31

> >> A couple of aorist injunctives probably functioned like plain
> >> imperatives already in PIE: *dHéh1-s 'put!' and *dóh3-s 'give!'
> >
> >
> > Ah, nice, there's my subitive stem. Hittite pahsi "protect!" etc
> > should then have been emendated by adding imperative *-ei/*-i
> > (cf. Slavic) to that perceived stem. Shouldn't they have vr.ddhi,
> > BTW?
>
> No. *dHeh1-s has the 2sg. -s, which doesn't cause any lengthening
> anywhere.


Right of course. In the standard theory it's stressed normal grade in
123sg, unstressed zero grade in 123pl for presents, excepting Narten
roots, and for root aorists. In Schmalstieg's version they are
distributed on 23sg,2pl and 1sg,13pl respectively instead.

The two roots seem to be hopelessly intertwined in Anatolian. One
solution would be if they were actually the same.
As I mentioned both seem to have cognates (loans?) in Uralic as *teke-
"do" and "toGe- "bring" respectively. Therefore I will assume that the
original root was something like *dhVgh-.

Original root paradigm, Schmalstieg-style
1sg *dhghóm
2sg *dhéghs
3sg *dhéght
1pl *dhghómV
2pl *dhéghtV
3pl *dhghóntV

loss of auslaut consonants with compensatory lengthening
1sg *dhghóm
2sg *dhé:
3sg *dhé:
1pl *dhghómV
2pl *dhéghtV
3pl *dhghontV

with primary endings
1sg *dhghóm
2sg *dhé:i
3sg *dhé:i
1pl *dhghómV
2pl *dhéghtV
3pl *dhghontV

dhgh -> d (for whatever reason)

with primary endings
1sg *dóm
2sg *dhé:i
3sg *dhé:i
1pl *dómV
2pl *dhéghtV
3pl *dontV

with reconstructed endings

1sg *dóm
2sg *dhé:is
3sg *dhé:it
1pl *dómV
2pl *dhéghtV
3pl *dontV

with generalized vowel and inlaut
1sg *dó:m
2sg *dó:is
3sg *dó:it
1pl *dó:mV
2pl *do:tV
3pl *do:ntV

or the other way
1sg *dhe:m
2sg *dhé:is
3sg *dhé:it
1pl *dhé:mV
2pl *dhé:tV
3pl *dhé:ntV

or with reconstructed auslaut analogical -n-
(from stems in pre-nasalized stops) in the plural
1sg *dheighom
2sg *dheighis
3sg *dheighit
1pl *dhingómV
2pl *dhingéhtV
3pl *dhingéntV

further, if the -i- of *dheigh- "shape, knead" is originally the
primary ending -i, then *dhghóm "earth" ("clay") is from the same root
too.

It's clear to me that *dheh1- "put, give" and *dheh1- "suck" (which I
believe <- "give suck") is the same verb ("Diese Kuh gibt viel
Milch"). For that reason I'd love to bring in *dhough- "be good
enough, give milk" into the picture, but I'm not sure how.

Now look at the fine mess I made. Happy new year, everybody!


Torsten