Re: [tied] Re: PIE Punctual and Durative

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 46800
Date: 2006-12-28

On 2006-12-28 02:28, Patrick Ryan wrote:

>
> The result of *bheré- is a thematic stem.

Why *bHeré- if all the relevant evidence points to *bHér-e/o-? (Simple
thematic stems are ALWAYS barytone.)

> In at least three forms, where we should expect a primarily durative
> meaning, we find thematic stems:
>
> imperative: *bhere
>
> present: *bhereti (almost everyone considers *-i an independent
> element)
>
> imperfect: *He-bheret (almost everyone considers *He- an independent
> element, indicating non-present time)

I more or less agree, except for the contention that this is what we
find in the "earliest PIE". Simple thematics don't occur in Anatolian
and are ony marginally represented in Tocharian. The productivity of the
formation is restricted to the "neo-IE" branches, and the hypothesis
that the *bHéreti verbs originated as subjunctives of root aorists is
well motivated and quite widely accepted these days.

Piotr