Re: [tied] Re: PIE Punctual and Durative

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From: tgpedersen

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Subject: [tied] Re: PIE Punctual and Durative

--- In cybalist@... s.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@ ...>
wrote:
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> It is my view that earliest PIE had two verbal stems:
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> punctual: *bhér-
> durative: *bheré-
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> both derived from *bhere-.
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> I presume that many on the list would disagree.

We might contend your reasons for maintaining that view, if we knew
what they were.

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I have explained my reasons for this _many_ times on this list.

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> What I am therefore interested in finding out is if anyone on the
> list agrees or disagrees with the following statement:

Ah, being tactical.

> 1) PIE had any process (at least, one, excepting lexical) for
distinguishing punctual and durative verbal employment.

I think verb stems could be extended with an -s- to form what I would
call a subitive stem (for want of better term), which was used to
build some aorist and future forms. It was made by falsely dividing a
2sg injunctive in -si as a stem in -s- plus imp2sg ending -ei/-i.
Because of the natural semantics of commands, the stem came to have
inceptive meaning. The -s- was then back-constructed into the aorist
subjunctive. Since 3sg pret was originally endingless, the 'subitive'
stem in -s- was used there as is, or as a 3sg future. Later full
paradigms were constructed around this stem.

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My own view is that *-s(V) was an independent formative with the base meaning of 'single', and that, at least originally, it was added to lexically durative verbs _only_ to produce a _lexical_ punctual verb.

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> Secondarily, if it did, what the function of this distinction was
> semantically.

The function of distinguishing between durative and punctual stems was
to distinguish between durative and punctual situations.

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Well said. Now, how would you distinguish between a durative and punctual situation?

 

Patrick

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> All comments will be welcomed.

Warmly.

Torsten

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Yes, warmly. Even humidly.

 

Patrick

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