Res: [tied] Greek substratum words

From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 46412
Date: 2006-10-18

Thanks for the reply. This -i:n(s) ending also appears in toponyms and theonyms, so we have two alternatives:
1- PIE origin (including "normal" Greek IE, or non-Greek IE adstratum)
2- non-PIE origin substratum

This ending seems to be a bit anomalous to be "normal" IE Greek, so, it could be from another IE adstratum or non-IE substratum. Aktis has PIE etymology, and also probably glo:khis and o:dis. There are also female -i:n endings in Germanic, if I'm not wrong. But Telkhis and delphis, for example, are not feminine. And the linking with delphis to delphys seems a little confuse ("the belly animal", maybe), and we must not forget toponym Delphoi, that can be related (and a few place-names with Telph-,Tilph)

Updating...
 Phorkys (g. phorkynos)
Telkhis (g. telkhinos)
Salamis (g. salaminos)
 delphis (g. delphinos) (cf. gWelbHu-)
 rhis (g. rhinos)
glo:khis (akin to glo:ssa "tongue")
aktis (cf. RV aktu)
o:dis 'pang of childbirth'
 
----- Mensagem original ----
De: Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 18 de Outubro de 2006 3:51:04
Assunto: Re: [tied] Greek substratum words

On 2006-10-18 00:28, Joao S. Lopes wrote:
> The words below, all from Greek, have similar vocalism and fall into the
> same declension:
>
> Phorkys (g. phorkynos)
> Telkhis (g. telkhinos)
> delphis (g. delphinos)
> rhis (g. rhinos)
>
> e-i and o-u seem to point to
> Phorkys (g. phorkynos) < *pHarkun-
> Telkhis (g. telkhinos) < *t(H)alkHin-
> delphis (g. delphinos) < *dalpHin-

Why not *gWelpHi:n-?

> rhis < *Hrin-

*sri:n-?

In the -í:s/-î:nos type (also aktí:s 'ray, light', glo:kHí:s/glo: kHí:n
'projecting point', o:di:s 'pang(s) of childbirth') we have long /i:/.
These words _look_ like compounds with an i-stem as the first member,
followed by something like *-h1(e)n- (assuming the analogical origin of
the Gk. nom.sg.). They may correspond to free-occurring u-stems, cf.
*gWelbHu- 'womb' and RV aktú- 'ray, light; night' vs. *gWelbHi-h1n- , etc.

Piotr




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