RE : Re: [tied] sabrina river

From: tgpedersen
Message: 46359
Date: 2006-10-14

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@...> wrote:
>
> Usually Iberus is linked to Basque Iliberri or something like.

Two cities named Iliberis by the Romans, modern Elvira, near Granada
and modern Elne in Roussillon have been proposed to have their name
from Basque *ili berri, modern hiri berri.

Trask: "The Basque Language"
"
South of the watershed the names are overwhelmingly non-Basque. The
major river here is of course the Ebro, whose name is the Spanish
development of Iberus, the name given to this river by the Romans;
this name is of course the source of the name Iberia, applied to the
whole peninsula. There have been repeated efforts to relate this name
to the Basque ibai 'river', but there is no evidence for Basque speech
in the Ebro valley in Roman times. A few scholars have tried to claim
for the word ibai some kind of ancient pan-European existence by
imputing it to an early 'Mediterranean' or 'Old European' substrate,
but convincing evidence for such a suggestion has not been forthcoming.
"


Torsten