Re: [tied] "Fish" in Slavic

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:

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> On 7/15/06, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
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> > --- Abdullah Konushevci <akonushevci@... <akonushevci%

40gmail.com>>

> > wrote:
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> > > Seems that "ry-ba" is an abstractum in -ba, like:
> > > Zal-ba, goz-ba,
> > > svad-ba, veZ-ba, Zur-ba etc. If Slavic y < *u:,
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> > ****GK: "y" is (I think) an "i-type" pronunciation:
> > pbi-BA, pbi-Bbi in 15th c. texts. Does this go back to
> > an *u: ?*****
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> [AK]
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> About *u: > y see : byti 'to be', OCS dymu in Derksen's "Proto-

Slavic

> inherited lexicon", on-line version.
> the
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> > > most plausible
> > > explanation would be the root in *reu(H)- 'to smash,
> > > knock down, tear
> > > out etc.'. I exclude here the root *reu- 'to below'.
> > > Just a guessing.
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> > *****GK: Thank you. What kind of fish would behave in
> > this way? We're almost talking of behemoths or
> > leviathans. Proto-Slavs watching whales in the arctic,
> > and then migrating and applying the term to smaller
> > fishies in lakes and rivers? How about another
> > guess?*****
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> [AK]
> Do you have in mind Greek <phal(l)-aina> 'whale' and Alb.

<bli> 'sturgeon',

> both derivate from zero-grade suffixed form of PIE *bhel- 'to

blow, swell'.

> (Pokorny 3. bhel- 120.)

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If we leave aside, for a moment, our reciprocal animosity and we
agree that the Greek and Albanian words for _whaled_ are derive from
*bhel- 'to blow, swell', then Alb. <fryj> 'to blow, swell' and
Slavic ry- could realy be related and we may freely assume that
Albanian f- is a prefix and ry- is from *ru:-, as is Slavic /y/.
Furthermore, "blow" has as well the meaning 'to knock down, smash',
so like we or not, there are all chances that Slavic "ry-ba" and
Alb. f-ry-j to be from the same root *reuH-.

Konushevci