[tied] Re: Dacian Sounds Laws - (2) Long Vowels

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
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> From: Abdullah Konushevci
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 4:44 PM
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> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Dacian Sounds Laws - (2) Long Vowels
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> Obviously these are not the ones that Alexandru is talking about,

but

> it does seem to me that Rocky Mountains (aka Rockies) is very

likely.

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> Patrick:
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> Not so obvious to me.
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> *ak'-'sharp'. Oldest form *H2ek'-, colored to *H2ak'-. Suffixed

form *ak'-men 'stone, sharp stone used as a tool with metathetic
variant *k'a-men (cf. Slavic <kamen> 'stone') with variant form *k'a-
mer (cf. English hammer).

> Alb. <karpë> 'rocky hill with sharp peak', pl. <karpat>, seems to

be primitive singular of <krep> 'rocky crag' (pl. <krepat>), as well
with intensive prefix sh-krep 'pointed crag, rocky crag', pl. <sh-
krepat> shows the same development as <akrep> 'scorpion' (pl.
akrepat) and <sh-krapël> 'id.', pl. <shkraplat>.

> Question is: may we assume that *k'H2e-, extended in noun â€"r/-n

suffix and extended in bilabial stop yields Alb. <karpë> from
*k'H2ar-p-eH2? I don't know any other case that laryngeal *H2 cause
the velarization of palatal, but I can't see another solution.

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> Konushevci
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> Patrick:
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> "Another solution" is that *ka(:)r- is simply not related to *ak^-.
> It is one of the rare words with a "naturally" long vowel.
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You are right here. karpë (with short a) is not related at all to
ak^ => the 'usual' derivation is (s)korh1-p-eh2 < PIE (s)kerh1- 'to
cut' (but for me a zero-garde is more plausible *(s)krh1-p-eh2)

Marius