[tied] Re: Dacian Sounds Laws - (2) Long Vowels

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 44333
Date: 2006-04-20

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "altamix" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> wrote:
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> > Albanian: kmesë 'sickle' < PAlb/Dacian? akmo:ntya: < PIE
> > *h2ek'-mo:n- tyeh2
>
> > Marius
>
>
> are you not afraid you will reach the form "montes" with the help of
> this construct?
>
> Alex
>

No the derivation is regular (at least in its latest part *o:ntya:):

PAlbanian -ty-a: (initially in hiatus) regularly gave -ca: and next
PAlb ca: > Alb së


So whenever we have Albanian z,s <-> Romanian dz,ts /3,c/ => this are
not 'recent corrspondances' (as Miguel suspected once :) ) but
reflects a PAlb/Dacian dya:/tya: (that could very well be already
dza/tsa in Decebal's time)


So *-o:n-ti-a: > encë > ensë > esë is regular (similar with PAlb.
penc^a: >Alb pesë)

The single doubt could be raised here only regarding the preservation
of km cluster => but I still think that a cluster Vk-mV in different
syllables =>like ak-mo:n-tya: avoided a reduction km > m (it's true
that I don't have a 'second example')...this is the point where I
really need to find a similar example before to trust 100% Beekes and
Huld or to start to find something else

(Note also the lost of initial a- in Albanian is 'late' -> post Roman
Time )

Now => Albanian kmesë is a strong support for a long o: in Dacian
Akmo:nia (but even without Albanian form) the long o: form is still
supported by the Greek Cognate akmo:n

However it's true that without the 'Albanian support' A Dacian loan
akmo:n- 'stone' from Greek akmo:n- couldn't be ignored => even the
place of Akmo:nia in Dacia is far beyond the known Greek Colonies=>
and PIE *ak^men, ak^mo:n, ak^mon 'stone' is so well atttested in
Baltic , Sanskrit, Greek etc... that 'to skip' Dacia 'will be the same
mistake' as in case of 'apa' (Dacian: Apus)


Finally, if the word sickle is inherited in Albanian for sure the
sickle was made initially by stone and is form kmesë is 'so close' to
ak^-mo:n- 'stone'...

Marius


P>S>

As regarding Abdullah derivation PAlb *ka-mai-tya:

1. I fully agree that a prefix kë- exists in Albanian.

2. but the suffix -tya: eng. 'made by' is really used to construct
other nouns from nouns(substances) (not from verbs) => see a similar
construction in Dacian *Karpa:-tya: (< Rom. CarpaTi) 'made by'
+ 'rock' => 'The Rocky Mountains'

(Patrick, any feedback reagrding the suffix -tyo/eh2? Thanks)