> On 2006-04-20 10:34, tgpedersen wrote:
> > You said something about the semantic field of *bhrem- :
> Without claiming any connection with <Bremen>.
> > Pokorny:
> > "
> > .
> > 1. bherem- ,hervorstehen, eine Spitze oder Kante bilden;
> > Spitze'?sanfte
> > bhorm-:
> > Aisl. barmr ,Rand, Saum', ey-barmr ,ora insulae', norw. dial.
> > barm ,Kante, Bräme' (z. B. am Segel), ndd. barm, berme ,die
> > Abdachung des Deichfußes, Wallrand'.nhd.
> > ...
> > Mit der Bed. ,Kante, Rand'; mhd. brëm n. ,Einfassung, Rand',
> > verbrämen, ablautend mengl. brimme, engl, brim ,Rand'.favour
> > WP. II 102.
> > "
> I wasn't relying on Pokorny, and my etymological suggestion is
> different. NB "Disyllabic roots" like *bHerem- have been out of
> since Anttila's study of Schwebeablaut.It was a quote.
> > American Heritage Dictionary:1.
> > "
> > bhrem-2. To project; a point, spike; an edge.
> > 1. ...
> > 2. Germanic *berm-, *brem-, in: a. Middle English brimme, edge:
> > brim; b. Middle Dutch berme, barm, edge of a dike: berm. [Pok.
> > bherem-142.]Your interpretation.
> > "
> > No watery connections?
> Only a secondary one.
>A river bank is a kind of edge, which doesn't meancomes
> that it's the prototypical edge (e.g. the Englisgh word <edge>
> from the root *h2ak^- 'sharp', Pol. <skraj> comes from a verbmeaning
> 'cut', etc.).*bh/p-r/l- comes from *(H)abh/p- "water", as far as I'm concerned.
> > I was puzzled where you got that idea of supported ledges on theabout
> > sides of rivers. I assumed it was something local? :-)
> Extended, figurative meaning, just like saying "at the edge of the
> forest" (although the edge of a forest doesn't cut). I was talking
> the hypothetical etymology of the word, not about its meaning inErh, hm, OK. Personally I believe the concrete meaning came first,
> individual languages.
> > That was many perfectly clear things. I was wondering how clearthe
> > Beorma -> Bermingeham was. Why are you so positive it is basedon a
> > personal name?not --
> I think I have already given my reasons. You may accept them or
> it's your choice.You stated that all English place names in -ingham were derived from