[tied] Re: Dacian Sounds Laws - (2) Long Vowels

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 44316
Date: 2006-04-20

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:
> On 4/20/06, Abdullah Konushevci <akonushevci@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > 3.a Dacian *Akmo:nia 'Stony City' < PIE *h2ek'-mo:n-
yo 'stony' /
> > > h2ek'-mo:n- 'stone'
> > > Preserved (not directly) in:
> > > Albanian: kmesë 'sickle' < PAlb/Dacian? akmo:ntya: < PIE
> > > tyeh2
> > > Marius
> > ************
> > My view about Alb. <këmesë> is:

> And I found it: Message 28115 confirms yours derivation exactly
from it.

I'm glad that 'you finally find out' that this is Beekes derivation,
so at least now you 'can trust more' in it :).
(also Huld proposed a similar one).

I will try to add some of the arguments for a PAlb/Dacian?
*akmo:ntya: 'sickle':

a) 'In the past' the sickles were made by stone

b) The suffix tyo/eh2 (probably formed from to+yo at his origin)
indicates 'some instruments' that 'consists by'/'that are
constructed by' stone in this case => So the etymology fits
perfectly :
'sickle' = 'an instrument consisting by/constructed by stone'

c) Now please take a look at (It's what I did too: I tried to
find 'stone sickles')


to see a Sumerian 'stone sickle' dated 3000 BCE => seems
that 'initially' PAlbanians used the 'stone sickles' too (no
surprize here)...so we have really an inherited PIE word (and Beekes
is very good :) in this case)

d) against your supposed syncopation bewteen k-V-m 'talks' the
Albanian këmishë <-> Romanian kãmaSã < Latin camisia (< Celtic)

e) Also an initial cluster km- could not survive like this ...

f) So only an initial cluster Vk-mV- could give an initial km- in

NOTE also: the depalatization of Palatal Velars in Dacian Akmo:nia
before m (n.r,l) (as in PAlb)

g) finally The Dacian Akmonia (Ptolemy) is 'a good link' too...

>Note: Suffix -esë usually is added to verb roots: jetoj 'to live',

But there is no suffix -esë here, Abdullah: is *-mo:n- + *-tya: ...
and the phonetic evolution of -esë in kmesë [-o:ntia: > entia: >
enca: > ens& > es&] > is similar to that one of pesë [-enc^a: > -
enca: > -ens& > -es&]