Re: [tied] Re: ph3 > b PIE transformation?

On 2006-03-14 23:08, Sean Whalen wrote:

> As I see it, suffix -eh1- / -h1- creates
> intransitive meaning (I won't go into complications
> here).

This won't work. The *h1 disappears in reduplication and composition but
not elsewhere. Other laryngeals behave in exactly the same way, as do
other consonants in similar positions, as in Skt. viraps'á- <
*wih1ro-pk^u-ó-, Gk. despoina < *dems-potnih2-. We often have
free-occurring full forms contrasting with truncated compositional
variants, as in *str.h3-to- (Lat. stra:tus) vs. *n.'-str.to- (Skt.
ástr.ta-).

>>In "long-diphthong" roots (however one analyses
>>them, i.e.
>>*//peih3-// or *//peh3j-//) it's the glide, not the
>>laryngeal, that
>>disappears first.
>
>
> Yes, but I'm saying that in forms where i>0 there is
> no e>0 because of order (approximately):
>
> tone > 0 before suffix with tone
> low-low > mid-low
> e-tone > 0 before i/u/R
> eih > eh in syllable
> only first tone remains
> p > b (various)

They are your private rules (plus one ad hoc stipulation at the end). As
far as I can see, all reduplicated roots lose their internal vowel
except when accented. *pí-ph3-e/o- is thematic in all the branches that
show a reflex of it (not only in Sanskrit). If something like athematic
*pi-péih3-ti ever existed, it was a different paradigm.

Piotr