Re: [tied] Greek labiovelars (Celtic)

From: Sean Whalen
Message: 43836
Date: 2006-03-15

--- "Anders R. Joergensen" <ollga_loudec@...>
wrote:

> 3) Loss of *p (or maybe just *p > *h)

p>xW except after s in same syl.

and
To Irish

sxW > kW
s-xW > s-kW

xW > h before vowel

After kW/gW (but not between two rounded in syl.)
i>u
e>o
(optional or sporadic)

h > 0 (most)

gW>g
kW>k
xW>x

And of course many other rules among these.

> In Irish we then find delabialization of *kW and *gW
> (> c and g).
> However, one can still tell the existence of earlier
> labialization
> on the rounding effect of a following /a/ (> /o/)
> and /i/ (> /u/),
> e.g. *gWaneti > gonaid, *gWediti > *gWidhith
> (raising) > guidid,
> etc. And of course <Q> (= /kW/) and <NG> (= /gW/) in
> ogam.

I'm fairly certain that's /guD^iD^/ or similar, not
/giD^iD^/ indicating e>i before Cy (from *gWHedhye-
similar to Greek thessasthai "pray for"). There's no
reason to assume *gWaneti with a>o not *gWeneti with
e>o. In Welsh e>e~>a~>a before nasals explaining go-
vs gwa- here.

wekWsperos sept_m gWHenti gWHedHyei
wekWsperos sept_m gWHeneti gWHedHyeti (analogy)
wesperos sept_m gWHeneti gWHedHyeti
wesferos seft_m gWHeneti gWHedHyeti
wesferos seft_m gWeneti gWedyeti
wesferos seftem gWeneti gWedyeti
wesxWeros sexWtem gWeneti gWedyeti

wesxWeros sexWtem gWeneti gWidyeti
weskWeros sexWtem gWeniti gWidyiti
weskWoros sexWtem gWoniti gWudyiti
veskWoros sexWtem gWoniti gWudyiti
feskWoros sexWtem gWoniti gWudyiti
etc
fescor secht(N) gonaid guidid

> The alleged exmaples of
> initial PCelt.
> *g- > Brit. *gw- are simply wrong.

What examples?




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