Re: pre-indoeuropean europeans

From: andrew_and_inge
Message: 43541
Date: 2006-02-23

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> Eastern European and Central Asian genes spreading around Europe
> from Scandinavia and what is now Northern Germany ? Huh?
>
> Naively I would assume that if Eastern European and Central Asian
> genes were spreading around Europe they would have come from Eastern
> Europea and Central Asia.

Sorry, for "from", put "via".

I should mention also that (as you would expect) the Mediterranean
itself is enormously interconnected from North to South and East to
West, and there are also certainly strong signs of thousands of years
of flows of Middle Eastern and Central Asian genes entering Europe (for
example Italy, Austria) via the Balkans. But what is now Germany seems
to have blocked really large East-West movements to the north of the
Alps. It appears to have been pretty rough land until late Roman times?

By the way, several of the Middle Eastern haplotypes with old European
version seem to have split with their non-European cousins around a
timeframe which is said to match well with the introduction of farming
and pottery. Could these have been Anatolians related to the precursors
of Indo-Anatolian? Getting really trendy, perhaps the Black Sea basin
was the farming land that they originally moved to?

If so, then the much later Indo Europeans would perhaps make sense as
one of those typical barbarian groups which becomes expansive while
living near more settled peoples, often taking over something of the
language?

Pure speculation of course. I'm aware that some of the dates don't line
up easily.

Best Regards
Andrew