Getz ma Butter bei de Fische! [Re: The personal pronouns of PIE...]

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, g <st-george@...> wrote:

>
> > Erh, do you mean 'bei *den* Fischen'?
>
> Yes, this is the correct usage. But dialectally/sociolectally it

is

> said <bei die Fische>, especially in this idiomatic saying. And it

has

> spread so throughout the republic, since it is also used somewhat
> jokingly.
>
> > I haven't heard of a f.sg. 'die Fische'. But I'm not a native

speaker.

>
> Just google "Butter bei die Fische": <<Ergebnisse 1-10 von

ungefähr

> 144.000 für "butter bei die fische". (0,20 Sekunden)>>. There are
> numerous written examples for the <de> variant of <die+der> as

well:

> <<Ergebnisse 1-10 von ungefähr 795 für "butter bei de fische".

(0,14

> Sekunden)>>
>

This is what you wrote:
"
<Butter bei *die* Fische> (instead of the correct *der* after bei,

> which is always followed by a dative) is colloquial

"

As it stands, you imply that the correct form is <Butter bei *der*
Fische> which I found odd.


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