Re: [tied] PIE suffix *-ro - 'similar-with' => *beudh & *budh-ro

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 42790
Date: 2006-01-06

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
wrote:
> > Be my guest. Here are some typical examples of *-ró- with
> > quasi-participial meanings (in most cases indistinguishable from
> those
> > of *-tó-/*-nó-, though sometimes with some extra adjectival
> strength):

> > *bHudH-ró- 'vigilant, waking' (Lith. budrus, OCS
bUdrU 'cheerful,
> > fresh', Av. -buDra-) beside *bHudH-tó- (Skt. buddHá-) from
*bHeudH-
>
> > 'observe, be awake'.


First, thanks a lot Torsten for your examples, a very good material.

Let allow me to clarify the rule first, to can easy folow it:

"X-ro" = "Y" means "Y is ressembling with X in some (important)
aspects BUT the nature-of X is different from the nature-of Y"

The difference regarding 'the nature of X and Y' is important to be
pointed out in order not to fail in another derivation: Y is 'an'
X / Y is 'a' kind-of(X)

To well formalize:

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a. "X-ro" = "Y" <=>
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b. " 'the-nature-of(X) IS-DIFFERENT-FROM the-nature-of(Y)"
and
c. "Y is-ressembling/it-looks-like X"
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(see on my previous example *nebh- > *nebh-os 'mass of clouds in the
sky' don't have the same nature with *nbh-ro 'fog, foam' but they
are very ressembling phenomenons)

I will try now to point out the situation of budh-ró

*bheud- be awake
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Please Note below that based on the cognates I have tried to deduced
the 'initial meaning' and not the different particular evolutions


*bhud- <<initial meaning: 'be awake' >>
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Sl. bUdeti 'be awake, keep watch'
Lith budéti 'be awake, keep watch'


*bhoudh-eie- <<initial meaning: 'awaken' >>
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Skt. bodháyati `awaken, draw attention'
Sl. *bu:diti 'awaken'
Old Prussian: etbaudints `awakened'
Lithuanian báudyti `to incite, instigate'


*bhudh-to <<initial meaning: 'awakened'>>
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Skt. buddha [pp. de budh] a. m. n. éveillé, éclairé, savant, sage

(see also Skt. buddhva => 's'étant éveillé' , to can clearly deduced
with the 'initial meaning': éveillé -> even '(toujours) bien
éveillé' based on my definition of *-to)


*bhudh-ro <<initial meaning: For sure Is Not Directly 'be awake,
awaken' but something similar>>
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OCS bUdrU 'cheerful, happy' -> to be active, full of live
Lith. budrus 'vigilent' -> to be attentive

So for *bhudh-ro we have as the <<initial meaning: To Be Active,
Energic,Vigilent,Full of Life (in oposition with a non-energic,
unhappy, passive person) 'LIKE' Awaken is (in oposition with a
sleeping person) >>

However 'active, vigilent, full-of-live' doesn't have the same
nature with AWAKENED (but we can make a strong parallelism as
between 'a foam and a cloud' )

Marius


P.S.

1. Thanks Patrick, to well observed that *budh-ro is quite different
from *bhudh-to and the verbs *bheud-/*bhoud- ...

(even the intensity here is occasionally :) (sorry) -> 'generated'
by 'the nature' of *bheudh- in my opinion, and not by *-ro)

2. I will come back with the other examples