[tied] Re: rã/râ/ãr/âr versus ar/ra in Romanian

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 42625
Date: 2005-12-22

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
>
> does this something else exclude that V=â directly?

To postulate an â (new sound) around 2000 BCE in PAlb, as direct
output of PIE *rH when there is no trace of it in Balto-Slavic or
Indo-Iranian this is not 'directly' possible (my opinion)....you can
do it only using indirect methods like is deduced in our days the
existence of a planet around a star (I have tried this for s^ :
based on different sk outputs in PAlb trying to see if I can justify
these outputs based on the existence of 2 kinds of s there : s and
s^, but for this kind of indirect deductions is very difficult to
arrive to something accurate enough ...)

On the other hand, to arrive to an ã,â (mainly &) from PIE *rh this
of course is possible but you need to indicate all the evolution
path...

What is important to note here is that without cognates in other
languages any 'internal deduction' ('internal deduction' = deduction
that used as arguments only the internal evolution of a specific
language ) will remain very poor (as methodology, I mean)
especially when we talk about such ancient days as 3000 - 2000
BCE ...For that timeframe (and not only) only the comparison of
different groups of languages that already become distinct at that
time could be of any help ...

Unfortunately for Romania (our country) I really don't know any real
PIE specialist in Romania in the last one hundred years (even that
there are/were plenty of 'PIE derivators' (as we are ourself
here :))...from here a kind of linguistic amatorism even at the
highest level : Romanian Academia (that I really hate) (and this
situation is not only specific to Romania). Without to well know:
Balto-Slavic, Latin, Greek, Germanic, Celtic, Indo-Arian, Anatolian,
Armenian etc...any kind of supposition regarding Proto-Albanian
will remain very poor... to put a h1 in place of a h2 in a
derivation is like to say that 2+2=5...

On the other hand we had brilliant Latinists like Alexandru Rosetti
or Ovid Densusianu were (/are) (and not only them). Due to all of
them our Latinist School is at the highest level even today (and at
least the Balkan Latin is known almost in its smallest detail)...

Marius