Re: [tied] Proto-Albanian Timeframes

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:

>
> alexandru_mg3 wrote:
>
> > V.10 dz > dh (sec I-II CE) -> Pre-Romanians preserved the dz

V.11

> > ts > th (sec I-II CE) -> Pre-Romanians preserved the ts
> ...
> > VI.40 d/intervocalic > dh (sec V-VII)-> NOT shared with ORom.
> ...
> > VII.1 dh/intervocalic > h > zero ( > 3 syllables) (sec VII-X) ->

NOT

> > shared with ORom
>
> Now, this is hard to defend. Had *dz (*3 in my notation) passed

into *D

> (= [ð]) already in Roman times, it would have merged with the
> intervocalic reflex of *-d- and they would have been lost together
> between vowels. I know of no examples of *dz lost in this way. It

is

> reflected as Mod.Alb. dh both in disyllabic words like <udhë> and
> trisyllabic ones like <madhështi:>. Note that *3^ (modern /z/) has
> survived as well. I'd prefer the following sequence:
>
> I II III IV
>
> -d- -D- zero zero
> -3(')- -dD- -dD- -D-
> -3^(W)- -3^- -3- -z-
>
> At Stage III, voiced fricatives are lost intervocalically, but

voiced

> affricates remain. At Stage IV, all affricates become fricatives in

most

> positions.
>
>
> > IV.50 dzy > g^ (sec III BCE - sec I BCE)->shared with Pre-

Romanians

> > IV.51 tzy > c^ (sec III BCE - sec I BCE)->shared with Pre-

Romanians

>
> I'm puzzled. What do you mean here? Any examples?
>
> By the way, in your periodisation scheme Period IV follows Period

II.

> Where's number three?
>
> Piotr
>

Piotr, thanks for your feedback. I was afraid that you will not
answer anymore :)

It was later in the night so sorry for any wrong numbering etc...

Related to your points, I cannot answer now but, I will come back
later in the afternoon or more sure in the evening when I will upload
an Excel File with this periodization (that will allow at least
different kind of filters to be applied and we will have a least
distinct columns

Maybe we can complete it 'together' (I mean 'You First' and 'I
Next' (in this order, because you know more than I know (and I speak
very seriously here)) and 'finally' to have a 'clear' picture about
these timeframes...


If we will finalize this we can do this for other IE languages...

Do you agree?

Marius


P.S.

Next I will write a program that "will go down and up" based on
these rules....generating different outputs for one input (should be
only one but because we are not sure about all these rules will be
more than one...) and different inputs for the same output.

This program will be of course public on this forum, so there isn't
any private setup here (not to create confusions).