Re: [tied] Re: PIE Ablaut

On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:40:53 -0500, Patrick Ryan wrote:

> Although I have Collinge's summary of the currents that have swirled around
> this question, I do not have even reasonably easy access to the literature
> that contains the full arguments of protagonists and antagonists -
> especially those advanced after 1985.
>
> I will, therefore, not offer any further comments on it.
>
> I hope there is someone on the list, at a university, who does have access
> to the full and current dossier on this question, and who will discuss it
> further with Jens.
>
> The only thing of which I am certain is that Brugmann's "Law", as originally
> formulated, has many exceptions like ávi- and ápas; and, according to
> Collinge, Hirt accumulated 67 such non-conforming etyma.
>
> Have these questions been satisfactorily answered?
>
> According to what I infer from Collinge, as of 1985, they had not been.

The "counterexamples" mentioned by Collinge aren't counterexamples.
bharama:na- < *bheromh1no-, with */o/ in a closed syllable.
apas-, anas- have *h3e-.
The oblique pada: < *pedeh1 has e-grade, as expected.
In the cases of avi- and pati-, we have closed syllables in the oblique
(*h2owy-, *poty-), and in the case of pati-, even in the original
nominative *pótyo:n, as preserved in Tocharian (petso).