Re: ka and k^a [was: [tied] *kW- "?"]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <magwich78@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: ka and k^a [was: [tied] *kW- "?"]


> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
> wrote:
>
> > ***
> > Patrick:
> >
> > I have the subjective impression that final [t] is not glottalized
> > nor pre-glottalized in American English. Brian believes that it is.
> > Rob thinks that he can simultaneously pronounce [?] and [t], which
> > I believe is physically impossible.
>
> Pronounce a glottal stop while simultaneously touching the tip of your
> tongue to the alveolum. Basically, it's a pre-glottalized /t/, as
> Miguel and Brian state.
>
> - Rob

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Patrick:

In the references furnished, it could be read, written by a phonetician,
that, although this phenomenon is widely believed, little data supports it.

I believe this pronunciation is, even it it exists, extremely rare.

Even those who assert its existence, write it [?t¬] suggesting
sequentiality.

I think it should be accepted by any objective observer that the [t] cannot
be realized until [?] has been released. If simultaneously released, only
the [?] will register.

If it is a _pre-_glottalized [t], then one is dealing simply with [?t].

By the way, it is alveolus (better alveoli) not alveolum.


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