russian vor [was: IE thematic presents and the origin of their them

Sean Whalen wrote:

> --- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
>> tgpedersen wrote:
>>
>>> And why does Russian have the very similar 'vor'
>> "thief" (BTW
>>> in the comment to this, please leave out the
>> sentence "the two are
>>> completely unrelated"; I have a copy of Pokorny
>> too)?
>>
>> I haven't got a reliable Russian etymological
>> dictionary to hand, but I
>> vaguely remember that the word is an early Finnic
>> loan in Russian, cf.
>> Finnish varas.

Vasmer denies it.

Vasmer's dictionary is available in several places on the Net, ex. here:
http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=/usr/local/share/starling/morpho&morpho=1&basename=\usr\local\share\starling\morpho\vasmer\vasmer&first=2239&sort=word

[in Russian]

This word can have some other meanings, see
http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/morph.cgi?word=[vor]

On its etymology, see "vrat' "
http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=/usr/local/share/starling/morpho&morpho=1&basename=\usr\local\share\starling\morpho\vasmer\vasmer&first=2314&sort=word

Vasmer believes this word to be related with Greek rhe:tor and esp. eiro:n <
*erio:n "a man who says different things than he thinks", "liar". Trubachev
comments that this word is only Great Russian and it can be related with
vre^ti 'to boil' or with za-veret' 'to close' (ibidem).

Grzegorz J.





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