Re[2]: ka and k^a [was: [tied] *kW- "?"]

At 10:30:10 on Friday, 23 September 2005, Rob wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
> <BMScott@...> wrote:

>> At 9:19:04 on Friday, 23 September 2005, Rob wrote:

>>> Yes, Magyar /a/ = [O] (i.e. British English short 'o'),

>> I have also heard realizations (from native speakers)
>> that were closer to [A.].

> What does the dot in "[A.]" mean?

[A.] is IPA turned-script-a, low back rounded.

>>>> And what about English, esp. British? Has it /a/?

>>> Not really, from what I understand. Even words like
>>> "father", in British English, are often pronounced like
>>> "fother".

>> /A:/ in the <father> words, /A./ in the <lot> words.

> Sometimes, to be sure. Oftentimes, though, I hear them as
> [fO:D@] and [lO?], respectively.

Please note that I wrote slants, not brackets. (None the
less, I don't think that I've heard [O:] in <father>; [A.:],
perhaps, but not [O:].)

> (Being an American, I say [fa:Dr\=] and [la?].)

And I, being a rather atypical American, say [fA:D&] and
either [lA.t] or the same with simultaneous [t] and [?] (and
with a vowel that occasionally wanders towards [A]).

Brian