Re: [tied] Re: Some questions

From: glen gordon
Message: 40153
Date: 2005-09-20

Miguel:
> Miguel has explained it as a mere merger of
> former abl. **-abhí-âtu and dat. **-abhi-á-atu.

Andrew:
> What are you talking about here, pray tell?

For added perspective, I personally have a different
view of pre-IE. I think that, being that *bHi appears
to be a free particle in the earliest stages of IE
(given things like *e-bHi 'by here' in Anatolian and
*am-bHi 'around' and the clear-as-day evidence in
English of "by" for pete's sake!), the case forms
with *bHi are late (post-Anatolian).

Therefore, there can simply be no such plural marker
**-abHi- in pre-IE, let alone Nostratic. I interpret
IE plural *-es as being from IndoTyrrhenian *-es
(circa 7000 BCE) which in turn comes from Proto-
Steppe *-it (around 9000 BCE -- to which Uralic,
EskimoAleut, ChukchiKamchatkan and Altaic would also
be affiliated). Final *-t is regularly softened to
*-s in IndoTyrrhenian, remaining *-s in IE and
rhotacizing to *-r in Tyrrhenian.


= gLeN




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