Re: Some questions

From: squilluncus
Message: 40099
Date: 2005-09-18

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@...>
wrote:

> 3. Is there any evidence at all for an ablative plural/dual
ending in Proto-IE? Was it always identical to the dative
plural/dual? Does this state of affairs not lead to confusion?
>

It might be that it was the dative that was identical to the
ablative having the ending –os.
In athematic singular –os is a genitive-ablative like Romance "de",
except in Hittite where there is a difference (-as, -ats).

Confusion?
It might appear that dative and ablative are opposites. But the
opposite of ablative is rather the directive/allative (a case fallen
into disuse with only some traces left).

For indirect object no marker is needed in English:
"I gave those from (the circle of) the ship-crew (*naxw-tax-mbhy-os,
i.e. the sailors) a sheep."

In this scenario –os is added to the the postposition * –(a)mbhi-.

Miguel has explained it as a mere merger of former abl.
**-abhí-âtu and dat. **-abhi-á-atu.

Whichever, there is no need for an opposition between
separative/ablative and the one(s) benefitting from the action of
the clause.

Lars