Re: [tied] *-je/o- [was: IE thematic presents...]

From: tgpedersen
Message: 40083
Date: 2005-09-17

>
> On genitive *-osyo-, I said:
> >> But I never said that this had anything to do
> >> with Nostratic! ??
>
> Torsten:
> > But you said using the resulting genitive as a
> > verbal stem without further modifying suffixes was
> > OK, [...]
>
> No I didn't. I didn't mention genitives in connection
> with pre-IE noun incorporation in verb stems. I was
> using the thematic genitive *-osyo as an example of
> a fossilized locative-inflected relative pronoun
> *ya (> **yo) denoting possession. Since I hardly
> think there is another adequate semantic explanation
> for the addition of *-yo here, it can be easily
> hypothesized that denominal verb stems in *-ye- were
> also originally incorporated possessive phrases,
> likewise ending in mLIE *ya.
>
> To use a genitive in a verb stem, one would
> theoretically have to incorporate an existing phrase
> with that genitive in it and so it would be unlikely
> that a genitive noun alone would be used as a verb
> stem. A nominative noun without further marking
> though? Sure, that happens all the time.

Yes, in English.

OK. Now suppose I buy that. Incorporated into what? The bare endings?


Torsten