Re: [tied] 1sg. -o: [was Re: IE Thematic Vowel Rule]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:44:38 -0700 (PDT), glen gordon
<glengordon01@...> wrote:

>I said:
>> Gender has nothing to do with it. The first stem
>> is *?ekwo-, the second is *yugom-. The second ends
>> in *m and that's what makes the difference.
>
>Miguel tries to re-emphasize facts that I already
>know:
>> It ends in o/e- (pl.obl. -oy), of course:
>>
>> NAV *yug-ó-m
>> G *yug-ó-syo (~ -syó)
>> D *yug-ó-ei
>> L *yug-ó-i
>> I *yug-ó-(e)h1
>> Ab *yug-ó-od
>
>I know, already!

So why do you ignore it?

>As I already mentioned here, the "deeper
>consideration" that we must understand about *yugom
>is that it is _inanimate_ and therefore unable to
>carry the accusative *-m which is well documented
>to be exclusively **animate**

How can it be unable to carry *-m if it's carrying it?
The thing about *yugom is that it's thematic, and the neuter
NA ending is *-m, just like the neuter NA pronominal ending
is *-d and the neuter NA athematic ending is *-0. Outside
of the casus rectus, there is no difference between the
animate and inanimate anywhere in PIE.

>> And it's *-o: (bhéro:) and *-ó: (*tudó:),
>> independent of accent.
>
>I explained in another post in response to Piotr's
>input that accent on the thematic vowel is by
>analogy with thematic aorists which can only have
>occured right before Fragmentation. Acrostatic
>Regularization, which must exist to explain the
>dominant acrostatic pattern of thematic stems, would
>have predicted that presents with accented thematic
>can't exist.

They do.

In fact, it's very likely that the thematic vowel was
*always* accented in thematic verbs in pre-PIE. That
immediately half-explains why it is not affected by zero
grade. Thematic presents of the bhéreti type are easily
derived from *bha:r-á-t(i) [vrddhi formation], with
shortening of the vowel in unstressed position, and
retraction of the accent by the initial accent law
(Rasmussen '78) > *bhéreti (and no subsequent reduction of
the thematic vowel, which needs to be explained).
Non-vrddhied thematic verbs (*tudéti, *(h1e-)bhug-é-t)
develop regularly, retaining the original position of the
stress.

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
mcv@...