[tied] Re: Short and long vowels

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-
language@...> wrote:

> But what I found was, although dorsals are palatalized by a

folowing

> Nostratic *e - without exception that I can see - only coronal

affricates

> show *w (not *W) when they were preceded Nostratic *o, with the

probable

> exception that dorsal stops from original dorsal nasals seem to

show it

> also, but this time as *W rather than *w (example, *gWo(:)u-).
>
> What surprised me greatly was that the velarized dorsals (*gW,

*kW) showed

> up in Sumerian as <s> (/ç/) and <h> (/x/), and in Egyptian as <s>

(/ç/) and

> <H> (bar-h), (/x/). This supposed Nostratic /ç/ and /x/. This

seemed very

> UNnatural to me; and I resisted accepting the PIE correspondence

until I had

> found dozens of examples that substantiated it.

This could be a convenient way to test your results. Could you just
give us *half* a dozen items from each set, please? I mean of course
words that correspond to words, not monkey-help-die-begin = apple or
whatever you have been serving us in the past.

>
> But do not most PIEists still think that Old Indian palatal stops

are

> brought about by *e-grade forms?

There was palatalization of inherited velars (some of which are from
older labiovelars) in pre-Proto-Indo-Iranian before *e, *i, *y. The
already-existing old palatals were not affected.

Jens