Re: [tied] Re: Short and long vowels

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From: "david_russell_watson" <liberty@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Short and long vowels


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
wrote:
>
> If combined with *bheH2r-, 'what protrudes, **male genital',
> we obtain *bhar- + *á:tr.-, which would give *bhrá:tr.-,
'male
> part of the family'. To connect it with 1. *bher- is rather too
> broad. What, pray tell, did the primeval son 'carry'?

It was the brother, not the son, and the P.I.E. brother,
not the primeval: We'll surely never know much about any
"primeval" language. Moreover it wasn't even really the
brother, in the most common use of the English word, but
rather the kinsman. In the ancient tribal societies one's
kinsmen were his supporters (*bher-).

> Unfortunately, the two major sources I use for attempting to
> triangulate earlier forms, Egyptian and Sumerian, have nothing
> to contribute for these words.

No connection between Egyptian, Sumerian, and P.I.E. has
ever been properly demonstrated, so nothing can properly
be claimed about P.I.E. or Pre-P.I.E. on the basis of such
comparisons in any case.

David

***
Patrick:

Well, you can speak philosophically about what the function of a 'brother'
in early societies might have been, and who can refute your speculations?

But the form of the word argues against a derivation from *bher-. Where
would the *a: have come from?

Nostraticists believe that AA and PIE are related; and Egyptian is an AA
language.

I have proved that Egyptian and PIE are related at
http://geocities.com/proto-language/c-AFRASIAN-3.htm Read it
and tell me how I am wrong.

Whether anyone looks at the proof or not is another matter.

Bomhard thinks Sumerian is Nostratic, and so do I. Here, check
http://geocities.com/proto-language/c-SUMERIAN-5.htm

Again, I challenge you to show me where I am wrong.

Though Bomhard and I differ on the details of the correspondences, even
flubbing up a bit cannot conceal the obvious relationships.

Due to the efforts of one list-member, I may not make these links active to
save you the trouble of keyboarding them. Sorry but I have to post in
plaintext which does not allow hyperlinks. And looks ugly to boot.