[tied] Re: Short and long vowels

From: Tom Brophey
Message: 39402
Date: 2005-07-24

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Wordingham"
<richard.wordingham@...> wrote:
> Using upper case for this breve marking, we may, following
Patrick's
> idea, provisionally reconstruct *dHugAhter-, as opposed to
> conventional *dHugh2ter-, as the PIE form for 'daughter'. We can
then
> debate about *-Ah- (based on *bHrah2ter-, *mah2ter-) versus *-hA-
> based on Vedic _duhita:_ (possibly [duh\hita:], where [h\] is the
> breathy glottal fricative, and [h] is the remnant of the laryngeal,
> making the first syllable long by position).
>
OK, I guess I see what you are getting at.

My preference, however, would be for different notations depending
on the issue at hand.
* So if Patrick's hypothesis is _not_ at issue, I prefer the
conventional notation *dHugh2ter-.
* If the issue is whether the prop vowel (if there is one) precedes
or follows the laryngeal, I prefer *-&2h2- and *-h2&2-.
* If the issue is how Patrick accounts for a word like *dHugh2ter-,
I prefer his notation: He will no doubt say there was a full-grade *-
a:- from *-ah- (or *-a?-), and that (for some reason) it was reduced
to *-a-.
So in any case I see no benefit to your new notation.

I see you tried out the new notation in your latest post to Jens. It
will be interesting to see if he buys into it.

Patrick,
Where do *dhugH2ter- and *pH2ter- come from? And why are they
reduced grade while *bhra:ter- and *ma:ter- are not?

Tom