--- In
cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "elmeras2000" <jer@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
<alexandru_mg3@...>
> wrote:
>
> > 1. Alb. grurë 'wheat' < PIE *grh2-no -> Lat. gra:num Sl.
*z&rn&
> > Lith. zirnis
> >
> > Note: I don't see how grurë could be a loan from Latin (as Piotr
has
> > proposed (Latin a: > Alb a))
>
> I'm a bit out of my element here, but I have suggested it is a
> borrowing from Dalmatian grun (Veglia) or something close to it.
>
> Jens
The paralelism between the 2 words showing:
1. the depalatisation
(note that the depalatisation didn't took place in an "i/e" contexts)
2. and a zero-grade treatement that is not ri but ru
(add to this examples also *gWrH-i > gurë)
is more than obvious.
See also the regular outputs of that PIE roots in the other
Languages: Lat ra:, Lith: ir, Sl. &r
1. Alb. grurë 'wheat' < PIE *g'rh2-no -> Lat. gra:num Sl. *z&rn&
Lith. zirnis
2. Alb. grerë 'hornet' < PIE *k'rHs-en- -> Lat. cra:bro Lith.
iruo; Sl. *s&ren&
So at least, if grurë is a loan, grerë should be a loan too.
But for me, viewing their similar ouputs sound more like normal
derivations:
'a depalatisation of k', g' that took place -> so we don't have 'i/e'-
contexts here -> and this first conclusion match perfectly with the
zero-grade output ru and not ri for these cases'
Best Regards,
Marius