Re: passive, ingressive origins

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "elmeras2000" <jer@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "elmeras2000" <jer@...> wrote:
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen"

<tgpedersen@...>

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Is it further possible to see the suffix -yé/ó- as a
> > thematic
> > > > > version
> > > > > > of the root *ye- "impel, throw"?
> > > > >
> > > > > Not for me. I only know that verb as *H1yeH1-: Hitt.

iemi 'I

> > > make'
> > > > > and Gk. hí:e:mi 'I throw, send' from IE *H1yi-H1yéH1-mi.

And

> > why
> > > > > would it form only the present aspect?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Which 'it' ?
> > >
> > > The auxiliary verb from which you derive the suffix *-ye/o-.

Why

> > is
> > > it skipped in the aorist?
> > >
> >
> > Don't causatives and iteratives have an aorist?
>
> As a general principle, stems formed with *-ye/o- leave it out in
> the aorist. The reason is of course that *-ye/o- is not a
> denominative suffix, but a durative aspect marker.
>
> The aorist type that goes with causatives and iteratves (the *-éye-

> verbs) is the reduplicated aorist. There is no direct connection

as

> far as the form is concerned.
>

I didn't know that. Thanks. So I'll stick to the causative/iterative
present stem. I suggest it can be analysed as:

*mone- "state of thinking"
*-h1 essive/translative

*mone-h1 yóm- "I impel <obj.> to a state of thinking"
*mone-h1 is- "you (sg.) impel <obj.> to a state of thinking"
*mone-h1 it- "he impels <obj.> to a state of thinking"

*mone-h1 yómV- "we impel <obj.> to a state of thinking"
*mone-h1 itV- "you (pl.) impel <obj.> to a state of thinking"
*mone-h1 yónt- "they impel <obj.> to a state of thinking"

where the auxiliary is
http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE593.html
but without the laryngeal.


Torsten