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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
wrote:
> > Brian M. Scott wrote:
>
> >> I suspect that Miguel was commenting in particular on
> >> your claim that this particular evolution is unique to
> >> Catalan and Romanian. This is wrong: it's found
> >> throughout Iberian Romance (OSp, OPort <aqueste>,
> >> <aquel>), and I believe that Old Provençal also had
> >> <aquel>.
> >>
> > the initial "e", does not become "a" in Rom. There is
> > erba, esca > iarba, iasca and not *arba, *asca, thus a
> > derivation with the help of "ecce" is simply wrong.
>
> The derivation under discussion is from *accu, not from
> <ecce>. And tonic initial /E/ doesn't became /a/ in Spanish
> or Portuguese, either; the development to *accu is
> exceptional.
>
> Brian
I like your conclusion Brian : "the development to *accu is
exceptional" => but it doesn't sound very good for a Common Latin
Form...
So we have here "different exceptions" in "different distant places"
of the Huge Roman Empire that "we cannot explain by applying local
and global phonetic Latin Rules" =>but despite all these we have
declared very confident that there was a Common Latin Form
*accu...never attested ...and if somebody raised a doubt we easy
declare him "an ignorant" ...
But ok, Exception or not Miguel needs now to explain us...and to
demonstrate that this supposed *accu was really a Common Latin
Form....Because showing only that a=a or i=i is not sufficient in
Linguistic....
So in this case Miguel, you need to accomplish some steps in order
to really demonstrate that this *accu ...was a Common Latin Form.
To do this:
1. you can find and attested Latin form (some inscriptions, texts
etc...maybe a Catalan or at least a Dacian "verus" that passed from
Pompei...) => but if you cannot find one ok....let's go further.
2. You need to identify the title word or the root word in Latin of
this *accu (if possible a PIE also your demonstration will be 100%
sure) => so you will demonstrate first that this really could be a
Latin word. Latin being a well attested Language is mandatory to can
accomplish this step...
3. Next after the root was identified you need to present how this
*accu was derived from this root in a credible way with a credible
derived meaning.
4. Next you need to apply first the OLD Latin and next the Catalan
Phonetic rules to can show us that this derivation was possible in
Catalan to happen...
5. Next you need to do the same thing for Romanian (and for any
other Latin Idiom where this *accu appeared...)
HELPING NOTE: in Romanian there is no Latin. e that passed to a...
(It could be some recent lost of ea > a but we will easy find traces
of the previous ea in Dialects in that case)
Finally I'm really confident that for Miguel (that is a
very "serious" linguist in opposition with other "igonrants"
that "populate" this forum) will be an easy job to make this
demonstration ...especially because I'm almost sure that before to
make me an "ignorant" he have had previously checked any detail in
the demonstration above....so he needs now only to write his
demonstration here......
So let's wait for his demonstration...
Marius Alexandru